Six Pixels of Separation - The Podcast
December 6, 2009 8:24 AM

SPOS #180 - Media Hacks #21

Welcome to episode #180 of Six Pixels Of Separation - The Twist Image Podcast. This is also episode #21 of Media Hacks. We have a pretty full crew on this latest episode of Media Hacks. C.C. Chapman, Hugh McGuire, Julien Smith and me tackle everything from the language we use to augmented reality. It's a lively debate about our new world as we all seem to grapple with how to make a Podcast something more and something different than just another radio show. We also look at how mobile and online social networks are quickly becoming one as more and more gaming-type components get added to the fray. This Podcast is not work-safe (it rarely is when Julien's involved). Enjoy the conversation...

Here it is: Six Pixels Of Separation - The Twist Image Podcast - Episode #180 - Host: Mitch Joel.

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By Mitch Joel


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  • Posted by Bob LeDrew
    Mitch Joel

    I honestly am flabbergasted that so much of MH / SPOS was taken up with the discussion of whether Julien's (and others') dirty talk is turning off listeners.

    Y'know what? This is what you get when you listen to the show. If you don't like that? DON'T FREAKING LISTEN!!!!!!! Is this the first time you've heard these words? If they're that offensive, use your finger to hit the stop button and unsubscribe. Then try to get over the trauma of having heard words like bullshit and fuck.

    MH is what it is because it's people CHATTING, not BROADCASTING. Nobody's forced to listen to this. Keep doing it EXACTLY THE WAY YOU WANT TO DO IT.

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  • Posted by Brad Potts
    Mitch Joel

    One comment on the language issue, if it is a issue at all. If Julien's stops I stop listening. Unlike Radio, Pod-Casting is a place where people can have a natural conversation without worrying about any governing body stepping in. I say swear away. Good information by the way keep it up.

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  • Posted by Jeff Stern
    Mitch Joel

    I really enjoy the discussions and the variety of viewpoints and fearless challenges each of you present. Have to weigh in on the language issue. My sentiments follow Mitch. The language is acceptable if it adds to the value of what is being said. The gratuitous splatter of Julian is unnecessary grandstanding. Kind of like the difference between hard core and soft core porn. Gets boring after too much of it and loses its effect.

    If Julian wants to be a trust agent, he should learn to respect his audience, or he will alienate them.

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  • Posted by Dane Joe
    Dane Joe

    The "value" of the podcast and/or these discussions has little to do with the superficial language used in conversation, the value lies in the ideas expressed and exchanged.

    I'm thinking of it like this: If Media Hacks were one of those cheesy Magic Eye posters, then focusing on Julien's language would be like complaining about the overall disarray of the work -- which is not the point. We're trying to see that hidden yet startlingly clear 3-D image that lies just below the surface; the one you have to blur your eyes to see. Some people just can't see it -- no matter how hard they try they cannot get past the chaotic mess of patterns that cloud the foreground. That's not the fault of the artist, it's the fault of the viewer's inability to let go (ie. see beyond the surface.) What, then, is the artist to do? Change the piece so that everyone can see the image below? Wouldn't that be a boring picture! No, the artist must realize that she is reaching a limited audience and TRUST and ENCOURAGE her audience to share their perceptions of the artist's ideas with those who cannot see.

    Don't censor the podcast.

    Word-play, like foreplay, is just a prelude to -- or distraction from -- the main event. People afraid of, or ignorant about, the BIG IDEAS dwell on wordplay to avoid/delay talking about the bigger issues.

    Keep doing what you're doing.
    We like it.
    It works well.
    Keep it up.

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  • Posted by Marshall Huwe
    Mitch Joel

    I don't get the impression that Gary Vaynerchuk is too worried about the effect of language on his brand, company image, etc. Just saying...
    http://garyvaynerchuk.com/post/280638196/gary-vaynerchuk-le-web-keynote

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  • Posted by David B. Thomas
    Mitch Joel

    I wrote a post last week in response to your question about the language that I I I wrote a post in response to your language question that got a fair amount of comment, including good ones from CC and Hugh. Short version: I love Hacks, I'm not offended by the language but some people are, so you're "NSFW" for a lot of people right now, if that matters to you.

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  • Posted by David B. Thomas
    Mitch Joel

    I wrote a post last week in response to your question about the language that I I I wrote a post in response to your language question that got a fair amount of comment, including good ones from CC and Hugh. Short version: I love Hacks, I'm not offended by the language but some people are, so you're "NSFW" for a lot of people right now, if that matters to you.

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  • Posted by David B. Thomas
    Mitch Joel

    I wrote a post last week in response to your question about the language that I I I wrote a post in response to your language question that got a fair amount of comment, including good ones from CC and Hugh. Short version: I love Hacks, I'm not offended by the language but some people are, so you're "NSFW" for a lot of people right now, if that matters to you.

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  • Posted by David B. Thomas
    Mitch Joel

    Sorry about the multiple, oddly-worded comments. I was posting from my iPhone and all kinds of weird stuff happened.

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  • Posted by Ben Aldern
    Mitch Joel

    I listen to Media Hacks for the raw data. It's like editing a song or a video: you can let your imagination free if you have the original, unedited recording. There are plenty of other podcasts I listen to to get a polished view of marketing, but I listen to Media Hacks so that I can hear the first cut and do the editing myself. Your guys' conversations have led me to do a lot of my own thinking and idea development and I fear that value would diminish if it feels edited, which is why I hope no restrictions are imposed on anyone's personalities.

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  • Posted by Mary Li
    Mitch Joel

    I must be honest, I'm a little late in the game and this was the first clip I listened to of all of Six Pixels of Separation. After a few minutes of Julien's swearing, I switched to a different podcast altogether. Not that I don't talk like he does on a regular basis, but I realized what I sounded like when I speak... passionately. I was also bored because fuck can mean anything and can replace any word in the dictionary without any effort. Carrying a conversation where every other word is a word with no meaning makes the conversation itself meaningless.

    Or so I thought. I gave this podcast another try today, managed to filter the noise and hear the real content for what it is - and it was great.

    And yes, I agree with Mitch that many will think it is a reflection of them to recommend this podcast but heck, problem can be solved by picking a toned-down or Julien-less clip to start the new listener off. Or go all out - like Seth Godin would say - what are you afraid of?!

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  • Posted by Elisabeth
    Mitch Joel

    Julien's passionate rant allowed me to get through a boring day of vacuuming and washing the floors (to which I have been condemned I can afford to hire a cleaning woman again.) I was laughing so hard I thought I was going to die.

    As a person who swears way more than she should, I like the uncensored version of Media Hacks so, please don't change anything. There's so much good stuff in your conversations that "cleaning it up" risks also making it boring, like so much other crap out there.

    Although it does draw out the vacuuming (which I hate) because I have to stop about 45,000x and take notes...

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